Talk:Legion Broadcast History

First thoughts

We should probably change the structure a bit to highlight the name of the series within the entries. The DCAU entries dont currently reflect that. With the current episodes listed, we could do that with a section header, although should there ever be an occasion when two series are overlapping, we'll have to re-think that. -- Gopher 06:32, 19 October 2007 (PDT)

• Option 1
• Option 2

Fairly simple - the first one is just to prefix the series title to the episode title, the other is a h3 header, ala the month headers in the LPH.

Disadvantages - 1 isn't that prominent, 2 breaks the link between the column headers and the columns to an extent.

Advantages - if intermixing becomes necessary, 1 is easier to work with, while 2 is clearly more prominient. - Reboot (SoM) talk page 12:04, 19 October 2007 (PDT)

Not sure I like Option 2. As you mention, I think it breaks up the page too much, and if we ever do have to intersperse series, I think it would be overload. I've added a couple more options. Sorry, I really need to see them side by side, so I put examples of all of them here.

• Option 3 restructures the table rows a bit, allowing a longer series title without squeezing the other cells in that row.
• Option 4 should look very familiar. At the risk of bringing too much sameness, it does provide internal consistency within the wiki and would be a heck of a lot easier to maintain. Much less table structure to stumble over, and we also wouldn't need the second header row for column labels. I realize now that after adding 20 or so episodes of the Legion cartoon, the latter ones will be so far away from the header that it won't be helpful. Works very well on the DVD pages, not so much on a long page of entries.

By bringing the series title into the individual entries, it might be more appropriate to add section headers for years, rather than the Series/Era mishmash I currently have. We could still color these by era, shading any individual entries that dont match the era.

-- Gopher 17:56, 19 October 2007 (PDT)

I liked Option 2 until I saw Option 4, which I like due to its internal consistency with other entries. I disagree with section header by year, though, since that would lump the second half of season 1 with the first half of season 2 of the Legion series, and other than being broadcast in the same calendar year, they really shouldn't get lumped together like that. This is one exception where it makes sense to put the section header by series and season. -- Omnicom 20:42, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

See #Option 4 expanded below, where I've sketched out a couple more - is that what you meant?

Basically, I'd be fine with that. My only concerns are fairly minor:

1. The airing vs. production order thing, since you'd be listing 6, 5, 4, 9, 8 on the most prominent line.
2. Linking the second line rather than the first if we're going for consistancy.

Primarily though, go for it. - Reboot (SoM) talk page 22:00, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

Close, I added something closer to what I was thinking of (#Option 4 expanded even more). In the main LPH list you have a break point by year. In this case, a breakpoint by season for the LSH show makes more sense. I deleted the series designators for the DCAU episodes since we list the series along with the episode number. As for airing order vs production order, well, it's the broadcast history. We can't help that they aired episodes out of production (and continuity) order. -- Omnicom 23:40, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

I like Omnicom's Expanded Even More version the best. If we have two series within the same season, we can simply list each series in its own section without having to figure out ways to intersperse individual episodes. Since each series/season section is clearly labeled and ordered chronologically, I also think that gives us leeway to order episodes within the season either in production order or broadcast order (I would prefer production).

On that note, I've been giving the page name some thought, and I'm wondering if Legion Visual Media History or something of the sort would be better. This would more rightly include DVD releases, feature films (I wish), webisodes, podcasts, etc. We might even want to consider including trailers, season teasers, interstitials or the like. I'm thinking that DVDs would be included at the end of the season section to which they correspond. Taking the word Broadcast out of the page name also reduces the pressure to list things in broadcast order.

As for linking the second line rather than the first, I agree with Reboot - it would be more consistent and more logical to a completely new user to have the first line contain the link. We can easily link the first line to the existing episode page and unlink the episode title. Although it would entail more work, I would actually prefer that we rename the episode pages to a more standard format (New Kids in Town becomes Superman: The Animated Series 3.03). This would parallel the way we present individual comic issue pages, and also eliminates the need for some of the disambiguation we have already utilized (Timber Wolf). I can live with it if we don't, but I think as there are more and more episodes and more pages that link to those episodes it will become increasingly more convenient to use a standard format. -- Gopher 07:31, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

I'll leave the second paragraph aside for the moment until MG replies.

On the first... ummm... aren't comics "Visual Media"? - all that really excludes are radio plays and (ironically, since you mention them) podcasts. Like I said back here, I'm less than certain that "Broadcast History" is the best name for the page - even if I'm not sure what we *should* call it - but "Visual Media History" is a horrid name. And do you really want to include every trailer and (if "interstitial" means what I think it does, it's not a commonly used word in the UK) break bumper? It would reduce the signal-to-noise value a lot for someone looking for an episode list. - Reboot (SoM) talk page 17:27, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

Options 1-4

Option 1
	Superman: The Animated Series New Kids in Town	Butch Lukic Dan Riba	Stan Berkowitz Rich Fogel	October 31 1998	S:TAS 3.03
	Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman.

Option 2
Superman: The Animated Series
	New Kids in Town	Butch Lukic Dan Riba	Stan Berkowitz Rich Fogel	October 31 1998	S:TAS 3.03
	Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman.

Option 3
	Superman: The Animated Series
	New Kids in Town	Butch Lukic Dan Riba	Stan Berkowitz Rich Fogel	October 31 1998	S:TAS 3.03
	Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. This version gives you less room to describe the episode, although we certainly have entries in the LPH that stretch longer than the norm. We can just valign the image and let the text extend down from there

Option 4
	Superman: The Animated Series #3.03 (original airdate October 31, 1998) New Kids in Town W: Stan Berkowitz, Rich Fogel; D: Butch Lukic, Dan Riba Story: Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Appearances: Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Chameleon Boy, Clark Kent Cameo Appearances: Ultra Boy, Phantom Girl, Dream Girl, Lightning Lad, etc.

Option 4 expanded

DC Animated Universe
Superman: The Animated Series
	Superman: The Animated Series #3.03 (original airdate October 31, 1998) New Kids in Town W: Stan Berkowitz, Rich Fogel; D: Butch Lukic, Dan Riba Story: Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Appearances: Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Chameleon Boy, Clark Kent Cameo Appearances: Ultra Boy, Apparition, Dreamer, Live Wire, etc.
Justice League Unlimited
	Justice League Unlimited #1.07 (original US airdate September 11, 2004) Greatest Story Never Told D: Dan Riba; W: Andrew Kreisberg Story: While the League has an epic battle in downtown Metropolis, c-list glory hound Booster Gold learns what it means to be a true hero.
	Justice League Unlimited #3.10 (original airdate March 1, 2006 (UK), first US airdate April 15, 2006) Far from Home D: Dan Riba; W: Dwayne McDuffie (story), Paul Dini (teleplay) Story: On her 21st birthday, Supergirl, Green Lantern & Green Arrow are kidnapped and taken to the 31st Century by Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes, where Supergirl is destined to embark on her very last mission -- a battle against the Fatal Five and the Legion itself.
Legion of Super Heroes cartoon
Season 1
	Legion of Super Heroes #1.01 (original airdate September 23, 2006) Man of Tomorrow D: Ben Jones; W: Amy Wolfram Story: When fearsome villains the Fatal Five set their sights on the newly formed Legion of Super Heroes, three of the Legion's members go back in time to get help from the greatest hero of all time: Superman. Instead they find Clark Kent, aware of his powers but not yet of his grand destiny.

Option 4 expanded even more

DC Animated Universe (various series, 1998-2006)
	Superman: The Animated Series #3.03 (original airdate October 31, 1998) New Kids in Town W: Stan Berkowitz, Rich Fogel; D: Butch Lukic, Dan Riba Story: Brainiac travels back in time from the year 2979 to destroy a young Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. Appearances: Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Chameleon Boy, Clark Kent Cameo Appearances: Ultra Boy, Apparition, Dreamer, Live Wire, etc.
	Justice League Unlimited #1.07 (original US airdate September 11, 2004) Greatest Story Never Told D: Dan Riba; W: Andrew Kreisberg Story: While the League has an epic battle in downtown Metropolis, c-list glory hound Booster Gold learns what it means to be a true hero.
	Justice League Unlimited #3.10 (original airdate March 1, 2006 (UK), first US airdate April 15, 2006) Far from Home D: Dan Riba; W: Dwayne McDuffie (story), Paul Dini (teleplay) Story: On her 21st birthday, Supergirl, Green Lantern & Green Arrow are kidnapped and taken to the 31st Century by Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes, where Supergirl is destined to embark on her very last mission -- a battle against the Fatal Five and the Legion itself.
Legion of Super Heroes (season 1, 2006-2007)
	Legion of Super Heroes #1.01 (original airdate September 23, 2006) Man of Tomorrow D: Ben Jones; W: Amy Wolfram Story: When fearsome villains the Fatal Five set their sights on the newly formed Legion of Super Heroes, three of the Legion's members go back in time to get help from the greatest hero of all time: Superman. Instead they find Clark Kent, aware of his powers but not yet of his grand destiny.
Legion of Super Heroes (season 2, 2007-2008)
	Legion of Super Heroes #2.01 (original airdate September 22, 2007) Man of Tomorrow D: Brandon Vietti; W: Michael Jelenic Story: In the 41st century, the universe will be terrorized by a warrior named Imperiex. The only person standing in the way of his plans for domination is a clone of the original Superman. But unable to defeat Imperiex and his vast army alone, the clone travels to the 31st century to recruit history¹s greatest super hero team, the Legion, to help fight this threat.