Talk:Legion Publication History

Superboy era?

Like the page - should be very useful. Just wanted to know where you would be including Superboy/Superboy and the LSH items? Should there be a group of items between the Action era and LSH v2? I know this is a work in progress, and I dont want to nitpick - just wondering.

Yes, that should be in there. Actually, it is, but I forgot the closing "==" so it did not take in the navigation menu. I noticed the series went 1, 2, 4, 5, and, being late for work at that point I quickly went in and renumbered without actually reading to understand why that happened... becasue I left out 3. D'OH! Thanks for the catch! =)

I am a tad concerned that the page is rather on the longish side, but it only takes a few seconds to load on my home PC, where I'm at 36k dialup, so I'm hoping it will be okay. Other realities will, of course, be much shorter. It could be argued, I guess, that this list will eventually duplicate the Pre-Crisis issues subcatagory when that is finished, which was another fear I had that I might get flammed on, but I felt strngly that this list gives a good one page reference point for visitors and casual fans to navigate to other parts of the wiki from.Duke 11:20, 31 August 2006 (PDT)

I'm not as concerned about the length as I am about how people will find it. Where were you envisioning it linking from? --Gopher 14:47, 31 August 2006 (PDT)

There's a link for it in the Pre-Crisis catagory, right next to "list of Pre-Crisis members." Is that what you mean? So, if someone clicks on the Pre-Crisis link in the "eras" box to the right, the list comes up along with all the other Pre-Crisis items to look at. Should the list live or be linked from somewhere else?.Duke 16:22, 31 August 2006 (PDT)

Cover images?

I added a row of cover images at the beginning of 1961. As we add more images, we could do the same for all the other issues you have listed. Would you be interested in this or something similar with a different presentation? Since the page is so lengthy, the images would break up the page visually a bit. It doesn't add much to the "heft" of the page either. --Gopher 14:59, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

I think covers is a fine idea. My only concern would be adding to the load time for the page, but if you say that's not an issue I trust your judgement. FWIW, on my Word version of this list, I have cover images running down the right side of the page. I don't use every single cover, just one representative of the era about where the image falls on the list. That might be an idea, but I have no clue how to make a column in a wiki layout.Duke 13:03, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Well, given the sheer amount of data for the page, a few more lines for each year would be a drop in the bucket, so the load time for the code itself should be negligible. The user's browser will need some extra time to actually load the images, but its hard to know exactly how much more time that will be. We can at least try it with the images we have so far, which I would guess is only about 40+.

As for the two column structure, the method for doing that would add a lot of extra code, a little more to almost every line. For a page this big, I wouldn't recommend it. We might want to consider splitting this into two pages, say one from the beginning to the end of the Action period, if that's roughly half. Once all the links and formatting are added for the entire page, and we add in what images we have, we will be able to tell exactly how big this monster really is. --Gopher 13:49, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Collectibles?

Why is this under the subject of "Collectibles"? This looks like a chronological publishing history of the Legion, not a list of Legion-related items to collect (posters, action figures, calendars, etc.) -- Omnicom 21:48, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

I'm not married to the "collectibles" designation. I chose it to try and avoid conflict because I had already been accused of not adding anything of value to the wiki with AR entries. Therefore, I conciously steered away from calling it a story list, or anything like that, for fear of touching any hot buttons. Also, it has seemed to me that some of the wiki architects are focused on refering to everything in continuity, as if it really happened, instead of from the viewpoint of how the actual publishing history.

I'm sort of hoping there's room enough for both viewpoints here, I guess.

However, that said, it is a list of collectibles. It includes all Legion related comics, including elseworlds and AR, and all Legion merchandise that I know of. This preboot era list is light on merchandise until the late '70s, or so, because all I know of prior to that is the '64 foldee card and the slurpee cups.Duke 14:53, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

I agree with Omnicom on this - "collectibles" are items other than the actual comics/magazines/TPBs/etc themselves (like the stuff he said, along with other merchandise such as flight rings, giveaways, sticker sheets, etc). Sticking stuff under non-intiuitive titling is more likely to cause problems than most other stuff. Plus, the page is HUGE - it needs broken up anyway (Tip: if you get a message saying the text of a page is over 30-40kb while editing a non-User:X/Y page, it's too big. This is verging on 100kb). - Reboot (SoM) talk page 17:40, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

As noted, I would have called it a story list, but was afraid you'd make me take out the AR books and other minor appearances. I have got the distinct impression based on the tone of your poses to me that the Legion Wiki is not a collaberative effort. It's to be your way or the highway. At least, that's how I'm feeling. Still, I'll pick my battles. By al means, change the topic to whatever description makes you happiest.

Merchandise can be broken into a different list, although I had hoped to create one place were one could find ALL legion related items produced during that era. And really, it's all "merchandise" isn't it? What is a comic book it not collectible merchandise?````

Where does the "series" thing come from?

Duke, where does your 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th series thing come from? It looks totally arbitrary and doesn't seem to conform to any well-known conventions for naming series. The only one that is well known has to do with the volume number which relates specifically and only to the series named "Legion of Super-Heroes". -- Omnicom 21:52, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Stripped it out. It's already listed chronologically, and the TOC automatically numbers (if you want a 1./etc on the titles themselves, go to Special:Preferences and tick "Auto-number headings" under "Misc." - Reboot (SoM) talk page 17:30, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

The "well-known convention" I know interprets Adventure Comics #300-380 as the first Legion series. I've never head anyone, online or off, say any different, so I'm taken abakc that you would call it "arbitrary." Legion of Super-Heroes (volume 2) may be the first time new stories appeared under the Legion masthead, but it was the fourth title to headline the Legion as a regular recurring feature.

As for how to break up the list, the page can be divided any way you like, by series, by titles (same thing, I think), by decade, or by what shade of pink Cosmic Boy's costume was that year. No bigs to me.

My PC, and my browser, came over on the Mayflower. I have not had an issue editing any subsection.````

Page Title Change?

I've moved all of the non-comics merchandise from the Pre-Crisis era to another list. I'd like to now change the name of this page to "List of stories/Pre-Crisis" but I am not sure how without going through the whole move page redirect thing. Is that the only way?

I could also move the really AR stuff to another list in the new Miscellany catagory. "List of miscellany comics/Pre-Crisis" or "List of AR items/Pre-Crisis" ?? Not sure.

I think we'd also have to settle on how minor something has to be to move to the miscllany list. For example, I think Elastic Lad stories, minor appearances, Mon-El cameos, etc. should remain. Letters page only mentions, text only references to characters, planets and races, could move, I think. I'd hate to do that on one level because I like to be able to see on one list what was popular as far as cross-overs and whatnot during a particular era when other things were happening.

I would resist moving Elseworlds stuff since, again, I like seeing a list of what was published when. I'd rather let that stuff live in two places.

I see nothing wrong with having one large list of everything in each era, and then smaller lists elsewhere broken down in various ways.

Let me know your opinions.

OK, now that I've lost everything I just wrote in an inadvertant cut-and-paste accident, let's see if I can recreate my thoughts on this and the above subjects.

1. I like the idea of a List of Appearances page, but since it seems to be too big, that suggests a List of 1958 Appearances page, a List of 1987 Appearances page, etc. We'd have a List of Pre-Crisis Appearances page (with lists of 1953-1986 appearances), etc. This would be a chronological listing of published comics from the perspective of a fan purchasing things off the newsstand. This way you can leave in all of the letters column stuff, appearances of Legion-related alien races (Durlans, Dominators, etc.), crossovers, etc., and you'll still have relatively small pages since there's only one year's worth of stuff.

1a. I also like the idea of a Marvel Chronology Project type page with a chronological listing of appearances from the perspective of a DC Universe (Multiverse, Omniverse, etc.) observer from the dawn of time to the end of time.

2. I also like the idea of a List of Legion-Related Collectibles page, broken out by date, type of collectible (subsections for posters, action figures, DVDs, stickers, etc.) or broken out into individual pages (List of Legion-Related Posters, List of Legion-Related Action Figures, etc.).

3. I think that anything other than the DC Comics should not be on the List of Appearances page. Leave Superboy's Legion (Elseworlds) but not normalman and the Legion of Superfluous Heroes, or the Simpsons comic cover with the Adventure 247 parody.

4. As for the conventions of series etc. above, maybe you just read different Legion forums or message boards than I do. I've heard people try to retroactively rename volumes or series as things like "series 1 (or volume 1) is Adventure Comics, series 2/volume 2 is Action, Superboy, and Superboy and the Legion, etc.". Can you point to some places where your series convention names are in use?

-- Omnicom 21:23, 4 September 2006 (PDT)