Talk:Legion Publication History/AR issues

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So has anyone figured out yet what is supposed to be on this page? It looks like all of the other "AR" books are already on the main pages (Lois uses Jimmy's Elastic Lad serum, statue cameos, etc.). Why not keep using the regular pages for alien races, time bubbles, flight rings, etc., to show how pervasive Legion culture is in the DCU? Omnicom 16:35, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

I believe the idea is that we will be moving certain issues off the other pages and on to the AR page, but we haven't agreed yet as to which ones those should be. We still have a ways to go before the main chronoogical pages are complete, which I would guess will occupy our attention before we completely resolve the AR question. We could just as easily forget the AR page, although there are certain issues listed, such as X-Men #104, that don't really fit on a page called "Legion Publication History". Even if we do populate the AR page, I'd like to see certain issues listed on both, and certain additional specialty pages that focus individually on reprints, cameos, alternate Legions, etc. Gopher 04:32, 14 September 2006 (PDT)

What should go on this page?

Since there has been a variety of opinion on where AR issues should be listed, and what each person considers AR differs, I think the only way we can really disect the topic is to weigh in each individual AR "type". At the risk of being anal retentive, I have listed as many as I could think of below.

My suggestion is that each of us (from what I can tell there are only four people who have expressed any interest on the topic, but by all means anyone is welcome to join in) "vote" on what should be done in each case by inserting a 3 tilde signature ( ~~~ ) next to the dispositions that you prefer in the sections below. If you believe that a given type of AR should appear in multiple places, such as in the regular history and the AR page and a separate page about that topic, place you vote in all that apply. I have included my votes as an example. As discussion ensues, feel free to change your votes around, and hopefully we will reach concensus sooner or later.

Feel free also to add/modify if I have not covered every type of AR or if you prefer a disposition for that issue that I have not listed. Discussion about a given section can be added beneath it. --Gopher 16:20, 14 September 2006 (PDT)

General discussion for this topic:



Vote on the various types of AR below:

Regular appearance

Definition: The character(s) play an active role in at least one story in the issue, contributing to it in a meaningful way, but no regular appearance of the whole Legion or even multiple legionnaires.

  • Solo legionnaire
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page -
    • Mention on that character's page -
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Supporting character/Villain
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Mention on that character's page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about supporting character appearances - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Adult Legion
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page about the Adult Legion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • LSV
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about the LSV - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Super-Pets
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about the Super-Pets - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Within dream sequence/imaginary story
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about that topic -
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Cameo

Definition: The character(s) or items appear in only one or a very few panels, but do not contribute to the story in a meaningful way. Examples would be appearing in the background or showing up at the end of the story when all the action is done.

  • Multiple legionnaires
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on cameos - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Solo legionnaire
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on cameos - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Supporting character
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on cameos - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Legion equipment or 30th Century item, place, etc
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Appearance as statue, image, etc

Definition: The character(s) do not appear in person, but are represented in some way that another character encounters during the course of the story.

  • Multiple legionnaires
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Solo legionnaire
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Supporting character
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Mentioned in story

Definition: No visual representation of the character(s) occurs in the story, but mention is made of the character(s) by a character in the story.

    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about "mentions" - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -

Non-Story item

Definition: No Legion characters appear in the stories in an issue, but are referred to in the following non-story portions of the comic:

  • DC House Advertisement
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on house ads - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Letter column
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on letter column notes of interest - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Written text
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Retroactive

Definition: At the time the story was written, the character was not a part of the Legion mythos, but became so later. This section only refers to appearances before a Legion connection was established. In the case of villains, this also includes stories like Wonder Woman #101, in which much later it was revealed that the Time Trapper was involved, even though that character had not yet been created at the time the story was written.

  • Mon-El
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Mon-El's character page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about retroactive inclusion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Dev-Em
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Dev-Em's character page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about retroactive inclusion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Elastic Lad/Lass
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Elastic Lad's character page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about retroactive inclusion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Insect Queen
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Insect Queen's character page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about retroactive inclusion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Villain
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Villain's character page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about retroactive inclusion - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Parody

Definition: Legion parody, either "in house" or in comics/media from other companies.

  • DC
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on parodies - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Other company
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on parodies - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Spinoff

Definition: A series or mini-series connected to the Legion's 30th Century universe.

  • Series/Mini-series involving legionnaries
    • Main history pages - Gopher
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page on related series - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Series/Mini-series not involving legionaires
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on related series - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Story set in 30th century but no mention of Legion

Definition: Stories written after the Legion was introduced that take place in their time period, even though no mention of the Legion or typical Legion locations, technology are made.

    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -

Alternate Legion

Definition: Stories with characters or teams that strongly resemble the Legion, such as the X-Men's Imperial Guard.

  • DC
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about Alternate Legions - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Other company
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about Alternate Legions - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -


Reprint

Definition: The issue contains no new Legion material, but reprints Legion material of the varieties listed below.

  • Reprint of regular appearance
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page about reprints - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Twice told tale
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on that topic - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -
  • Reprint of AR issue
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page - Gopher
    • Another Wiki page on reprints - Gopher
    • Should not be included in Wiki -

Mega AR

Definition: Includes non-Legion appearances of Legion-related characters that appear frequently elsewhere in the DC universe.

  • All non-Legion appearances of Superboy/Superman
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page about reprints -
    • Should not be included in Wiki - Gopher
  • All non-Legion appearances of Supergirl
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page on that topic -
    • Should not be included in Wiki - Gopher
  • All non-Legion appearances of Jimmy Olsen
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page on reprints -
    • Should not be included in Wiki - Gopher
  • All non-Legion appearances of Pete Ross
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page on reprints -
    • Should not be included in Wiki - Gopher
  • All non-Legion appearances of Booster Gold (this one cracks me up - there are some people who actually include this)
    • Main history pages -
    • AR history page -
    • Another Wiki page on reprints -
    • Should not be included in Wiki - Gopher